2011 Aug 25 to 30: AK Fairbanks: COMMENTS on Vote Yes on Propostion 2 October 4, 2011

2011 Aug 25 to 30: AK Fairbanks: COMMENTS on Vote Yes on Propostion 2 October 4, 2011
chokinginnorthpole wrote on Tuesday, Aug 30 at 12:54 PM »
People who lived in Fairbanks in the past when the solid fuel pollution levels were high also got sick and died from the air pollution that resulted from burning solid fuels.

That is hardly a good recommendation for continuing the bad situation of dangerous smoke pollution that we now find ourselves living in, particularly when numerous scientific studies since those times have clearly proved that fine particulate pollution makes people sick and it kills them.

To protect your own health and life and the health and lives of your loved ones, avoid exposure to smoke pollution and vote YES on 2.

« muddr wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 09:22 PM »
Lance_Roberts

>>Instead of just chipping in to help their neighbor with their time and money…

What is even sadder is how you keep reaching for my wallet. You want charity, ask nicely and demonstrate some need.

Extorting your neighbors money and time so you’ll stop smoking us out is morally bankrupt and theft by coercion. The borough stove buyout program is generous. I will not pay your fuel bill too. Your greed knows no limits. Man up!

« FbksTruckDvr wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 08:43 PM »
Freedom. Freedom to be safe on my property. Free not to be damaged by waste dumped into our lungs.

No one has the freedom to hurt my family.

Without health, where is individual freedom?

« Dove wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 08:23 PM »
Personally, I’m voting yes on Prop 2, because all of the folks I know, who burn wood, support the ballot. I rarely smell wood smoke,…maybe because I live in Hamilton Acres,..oh, aside from the guy burning that gawd awful crap,…but he was evicted.

I’m sick of the “government” telling me what I can/can’t do, too. But some people are really affected by the particle matter. Some people have trouble breathing, and some people don’t.

In any event, what we can do as a community is recognize that the BIG burners have become an issue, causing many to not be able to breath. I wish Fairbanks had access to natural gas to use, but that’s another pipeline dream.

Let’s just clean up the air around here, so everyone can breath easily.

« blue_eyes wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 05:39 PM »

okreally – this letter is about outdoor hydronic heaters creating a hazard to a local school. The school was there before the hydronic heaters were installed – the school did not CHOOSE to move next to the hydronic heaters.

« blue_eyes wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 07:09 PM »
lance, you’re making a lot of wrong assumptions.

Not everyone who is for Prop 2 is affiliated with the organization you name.

And I have no idea where you would think that you knew what prop2 proponents have done to help their neighbors – both with money, time, and efforts.

« chokinginnorthpole wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 06:26 PM »
From: ScienceDaily, July 5, 2010

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100701131209.htm

Ultrafine Particles in Air Pollution May Heighten Allergic Inflammation in Asthma

“Researchers found that exposure to air containing ultrafine particles for a few hours a day over five days significantly enhanced allergic airway inflammation, which correlated to the changes found in the immune system and genes expressed. Scientists discovered that the most profound effects of the allergic inflammation were observed deep in the lung.”

Vote YES on 2.

« blue_eyes wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 05:39 PM »
okreally – this letter is about outdoor hydronic heaters creating a hazard to a local school. The school was there before the hydronic heaters were installed – the school did not CHOOSE to move next to the hydronic heaters.

Outdoorwoodfurnaces.org (a pro hydronic heater site) recommends getting your neighbor’s permission in writing before installing one of these machines.

« woodgleaner wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 01:08 PM »
Want a new car that gets 35 to 50 miles per gallon? Can’t help you. Want a new, more efficient stove so you burn a lot less of your hard chopped wood? Can help you. Sign up for the deal with the FNSB air quality improvement program at 3175 Peger Road. You can leave a message to be called back at 459-1005 (press option #2). You’ll be able to get than shiny new stove for less, thanks to their financial help. Take a moment to swing by & fill out the application.

« chokinginnorthpole wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 12:55 PM »
From: The Lancet

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)61303-9/abstract

The Lancet, Volume 374, Issue 9691, Pages 733 – 743, 29 August 2009

Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in non-smokers

Dr Sundeep S Salvi MD, Prof Peter J Barnes

“An estimated 25—45% of patients with COPD have never smoked; the burden of non-smoking COPD is therefore much higher than previously believed. About 3 billion people, half the worldwide population, are exposed to smoke from biomass fuel compared with 1·01 billion people who smoke tobacco, which suggests that exposure to biomass smoke might be the biggest risk factor for COPD globally.”

Vote YES on 2.

Read more: Fairbanks Daily News-Miner – Support Prop 2 I’m fortunate to not have any ill effects from smoke, but many do have respitory issues. I don’t have a problem with the neighbor. The neighbor just burns some really foul stuff.

Getting even isn’t part of my agenda.

« chokinginnorthpole wrote on Tuesday, Aug 30 at 12:54 PM »
People who lived in Fairbanks in the past when the solid fuel pollution levels were high also got sick and died from the air pollution that resulted from burning solid fuels.

That is hardly a good recommendation for continuing the bad situation of dangerous smoke pollution that we now find ourselves living in, particularly when numerous scientific studies since those times have clearly proved that fine particulate pollution makes people sick and it kills them.

To protect your own health and life and the health and lives of your loved ones, avoid exposure to smoke pollution and vote YES on 2.

« muddr wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 09:22 PM »
Lance_Roberts

>>Instead of just chipping in to help their neighbor with their time and money…

What is even sadder is how you keep reaching for my wallet. You want charity, ask nicely and demonstrate some need.

Extorting your neighbors money and time so you’ll stop smoking us out is morally bankrupt and theft by coercion. The borough stove buyout program is generous. I will not pay your fuel bill too. Your greed knows no limits. Man up!

« FbksTruckDvr wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 08:43 PM »
Freedom. Freedom to be safe on my property. Free not to be damaged by waste dumped into our lungs.

No one has the freedom to hurt my family.

Without health, where is individual freedom?

« Dove wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 08:23 PM »
Personally, I’m voting yes on Prop 2, because all of the folks I know, who burn wood, support the ballot. I rarely smell wood smoke,…maybe because I live in Hamilton Acres,..oh, aside from the guy burning that gawd awful crap,…but he was evicted.

I’m sick of the “government” telling me what I can/can’t do, too. But some people are really affected by the particle matter. Some people have trouble breathing, and some people don’t.

In any event, what we can do as a community is recognize that the BIG burners have become an issue, causing many to not be able to breath. I wish Fairbanks had access to natural gas to use, but that’s another pipeline dream.

Let’s just clean up the air around here, so everyone can breath easily.

« blue_eyes wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 07:09 PM »
lance, you’re making a lot of wrong assumptions.

Not everyone who is for Prop 2 is affiliated with the organization you name.

And I have no idea where you would think that you knew what prop2 proponents have done to help their neighbors – both with money, time, and efforts.

« chokinginnorthpole wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 06:26 PM »
From: ScienceDaily, July 5, 2010

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100701131209.htm

Ultrafine Particles in Air Pollution May Heighten Allergic Inflammation in Asthma

“Researchers found that exposure to air containing ultrafine particles for a few hours a day over five days significantly enhanced allergic airway inflammation, which correlated to the changes found in the immune system and genes expressed. Scientists discovered that the most profound effects of the allergic inflammation were observed deep in the lung.”

Vote YES on 2.

« blue_eyes wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 05:39 PM »
okreally – this letter is about outdoor hydronic heaters creating a hazard to a local school. The school was there before the hydronic heaters were installed – the school did not CHOOSE to move next to the hydronic heaters.

Outdoorwoodfurnaces.org (a pro hydronic heater site) recommends getting your neighbor’s permission in writing before installing one of these machines.

« woodgleaner wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 01:08 PM »
Want a new car that gets 35 to 50 miles per gallon? Can’t help you. Want a new, more efficient stove so you burn a lot less of your hard chopped wood? Can help you. Sign up for the deal with the FNSB air quality improvement program at 3175 Peger Road. You can leave a message to be called back at 459-1005 (press option #2). You’ll be able to get than shiny new stove for less, thanks to their financial help. Take a moment to swing by & fill out the application.

« chokinginnorthpole wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 12:55 PM »
From: The Lancet

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)61303-9/abstract

The Lancet, Volume 374, Issue 9691, Pages 733 – 743, 29 August 2009

Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in non-smokers

Dr Sundeep S Salvi MD, Prof Peter J Barnes

“An estimated 25—45% of patients with COPD have never smoked; the burden of non-smoking COPD is therefore much higher than previously believed. About 3 billion people, half the worldwide population, are exposed to smoke from biomass fuel compared with 1·01 billion people who smoke tobacco, which suggests that exposure to biomass smoke might be the biggest risk factor for COPD globally.”

Vote YES on 2.

« DirtyAviston wrote on Monday, Aug 29 at 12:32 PM »
Straight ffrom the Outdoor Wood Boiler (OWB)/Outdoor Wood Furnace (OWF)/Hydronic Heater (HH) Manyfacturers: These are direct quotes:

“Improper use or failure to maintain the outdoor wood boiler may cause nuisance conditions. Persons operating this outdoor wood boiler are responsible for operation of the outdoor wood boiler so as not to cause nuisance conditions. Even proper use and maintenance of the outdoor wood boiler, and meeting the distance and stack height recommendations and requirements in State and local regulations may not always be adequate to prevent nuisance conditions in some areas due to terrain or other factors.”

“Breathing wood smoke has been shown to be hazardous to people’s health. This is not only true for the person who tends the fire, but for the people and neighbors that surround it. This is also true for campfires, but most people do not keep their campfire going 7 days a week.”

“Never buy an outdoor wood furnace if you live in town.”

“There is not a manufacturer that makes a furnace that never smokes.”

“All wood stoves will smoke at any time and could cause you problems with your neighbors.”

“If you have a neighbor within 500 feet of your wood stove, be sure to add enough to your chimney to get above the roofline of their home.”

Read more: Fairbanks Daily News-Miner – Support Prop 2

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